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	<title>Comments on: Tina Fey’s Bossypants may rescue her reputation as a feminist</title>
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		<title>By: Katharine</title>
		<link>http://www.about-face.org/tina-feys-bossypants-may-rescue-her-reputation-as-a-feminist/#comment-9581</link>
		<dc:creator>Katharine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 09:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Insightful and thought-provoking blog post.  Thank you, Magdalena.   Ditto to Becci.</description>
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		<title>By: Magdalena</title>
		<link>http://www.about-face.org/tina-feys-bossypants-may-rescue-her-reputation-as-a-feminist/#comment-9268</link>
		<dc:creator>Magdalena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 09:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Becci!</description>
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		<title>By: Stacey</title>
		<link>http://www.about-face.org/tina-feys-bossypants-may-rescue-her-reputation-as-a-feminist/#comment-9020</link>
		<dc:creator>Stacey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 18:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This book has been on my bookshelf since I received it for Christmas, and I stare at it every day, wishing I wasn&#039;t weighed down with required reading for school. I can&#039;t wait until I can finally crack it open! But it will probably have to wait until May. Maybe I&#039;ll revisit this post in 3 months or so. Haha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This book has been on my bookshelf since I received it for Christmas, and I stare at it every day, wishing I wasn&#8217;t weighed down with required reading for school. I can&#8217;t wait until I can finally crack it open! But it will probably have to wait until May. Maybe I&#8217;ll revisit this post in 3 months or so. Haha.</p>
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		<title>By: Becci</title>
		<link>http://www.about-face.org/tina-feys-bossypants-may-rescue-her-reputation-as-a-feminist/#comment-9014</link>
		<dc:creator>Becci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really want to read this book now.  Great blog post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really want to read this book now.  Great blog post!</p>
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		<title>By: Tess</title>
		<link>http://www.about-face.org/tina-feys-bossypants-may-rescue-her-reputation-as-a-feminist/#comment-8924</link>
		<dc:creator>Tess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aubrey, I agree with you! But your comments seem to be directed at the articles quoted in this blog article, rather than this article itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aubrey, I agree with you! But your comments seem to be directed at the articles quoted in this blog article, rather than this article itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Tess</title>
		<link>http://www.about-face.org/tina-feys-bossypants-may-rescue-her-reputation-as-a-feminist/#comment-8923</link>
		<dc:creator>Tess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Magdalena, I read your post in the way you say it was intended. I agree with you that it seems that you and Kim are making the same point!

I think that unfortunately, Kim is taking one flippant sentence out of context. 

Kim, while you make very valid points, I feel that you may have mis-read Magdalena&#039;s intentions with the piece. I didn&#039;t see any evidence of her &quot;ripping another woman apart&quot; at all. Rather, she presented an overview of the criticisms against Fey, and presented her own point of view and the change in her own opinion. I didn&#039;t see anywhere that she called Fey &quot;not feminist enough.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Magdalena, I read your post in the way you say it was intended. I agree with you that it seems that you and Kim are making the same point!</p>
<p>I think that unfortunately, Kim is taking one flippant sentence out of context. </p>
<p>Kim, while you make very valid points, I feel that you may have mis-read Magdalena&#8217;s intentions with the piece. I didn&#8217;t see any evidence of her &#8220;ripping another woman apart&#8221; at all. Rather, she presented an overview of the criticisms against Fey, and presented her own point of view and the change in her own opinion. I didn&#8217;t see anywhere that she called Fey &#8220;not feminist enough.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Magdalena</title>
		<link>http://www.about-face.org/tina-feys-bossypants-may-rescue-her-reputation-as-a-feminist/#comment-8922</link>
		<dc:creator>Magdalena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my goodness, I agree. I was quoting her detractors. I was definitely not trying to write a post that criticizes Tina Fey or her show. In fact, just the opposite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my goodness, I agree. I was quoting her detractors. I was definitely not trying to write a post that criticizes Tina Fey or her show. In fact, just the opposite.</p>
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		<title>By: Magdalena</title>
		<link>http://www.about-face.org/tina-feys-bossypants-may-rescue-her-reputation-as-a-feminist/#comment-8920</link>
		<dc:creator>Magdalena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I&#039;m very sorry this affected you so negatively. I was actually trying to do the opposite with this post of what you&#039;re describing. I was attempting to respond to the pervasive criticism of Tina Fey (which I did not make up or start—see the collection of links near the beginning of the post) and argue that it was counter-productive because she IS doing feminist work. Right before the phrase you singled out, I said, &quot;However, Bossypants really made me re-evaluate my stance on this hyper-conscious policing.&quot; I think we&#039;re making the same argument. My thesis for this post was that everyone gets so caught up in criticizing Tina Fey for not being perfect, that they miss the fact that she is out there helping real women and representing feminism in the world. Unless I&#039;m misreading you, that sounds like something we can agree on. I am not calling Tina Fey &quot;not feminist enough&quot;. I am arguing against the people that say that.

You say, &quot;I think there’s a difference between critiquing people and throwing down a huge amount of judgement.&quot; I agree. When I said that people have the right to criticize anyone, I was talking about the kind of critique that we do here at About-Face. I do think that no person or topic is off-limits for thoughtful analysis, and I think that analysis is important. I hope the wording of that doesn&#039;t put you off About-Face forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I&#8217;m very sorry this affected you so negatively. I was actually trying to do the opposite with this post of what you&#8217;re describing. I was attempting to respond to the pervasive criticism of Tina Fey (which I did not make up or start—see the collection of links near the beginning of the post) and argue that it was counter-productive because she IS doing feminist work. Right before the phrase you singled out, I said, &#8220;However, Bossypants really made me re-evaluate my stance on this hyper-conscious policing.&#8221; I think we&#8217;re making the same argument. My thesis for this post was that everyone gets so caught up in criticizing Tina Fey for not being perfect, that they miss the fact that she is out there helping real women and representing feminism in the world. Unless I&#8217;m misreading you, that sounds like something we can agree on. I am not calling Tina Fey &#8220;not feminist enough&#8221;. I am arguing against the people that say that.</p>
<p>You say, &#8220;I think there’s a difference between critiquing people and throwing down a huge amount of judgement.&#8221; I agree. When I said that people have the right to criticize anyone, I was talking about the kind of critique that we do here at About-Face. I do think that no person or topic is off-limits for thoughtful analysis, and I think that analysis is important. I hope the wording of that doesn&#8217;t put you off About-Face forever.</p>
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		<title>By: Aubrey</title>
		<link>http://www.about-face.org/tina-feys-bossypants-may-rescue-her-reputation-as-a-feminist/#comment-8908</link>
		<dc:creator>Aubrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s no blatant negative portrayal of women in 30 Rock, it&#039;s a negative portrayal of people. A reoccurring conflict Liz Lemon (and probably Tina Fey) faces is dealing with stupid people, not exclusively women. If women should be upset about unlucky-in-love Liz, air-headed Cerie and narcissist Jenna, then men should be equally upset about underachiever Pete, gross Frank, naive Kenneth, pretentious Jack, and of course crazy Tracy.  But to do so, would be a failure to accept humanity as it is.  Being upset about less-than-perfect female characters is absurd, considering there are plenty less-than-perfect females in society. To put only admirable female characters in any show is to say that women are perfect, when we are not. If we don&#039;t shed light on the infallibility of women, we are cheating ourselves. 

Also, &quot;Tina Fey portrays single women in an offensive way&quot;?! I&#039;m a 20-year-old life-long single girl and I&#039;m proud to call both Liz Lemon and Tina Fey my heros. How are single women portrayed negatively in 30 Rock? Liz stays true to herself during the chaos that is her hopeless dating life. She doesn&#039;t complain that she&#039;s not fancy or sexy enough for the men available, and she puts her career in front of everything, including romantic relationships. She broke up with Dennis because he was an idiot (a &quot;rat king&quot;), she chose her career over Floyd, Dr. Baird was also an idiot and lived in a &quot;bubble,&quot; she refused to settle for Wesley the Brit, airline pilot Carol (yes, named after Carol Burnett) was too similar to her (a &quot;double-edged sword&quot;), and her relationship with Criss is currently working out.  She refuses to settle no matter how quickly her biological clock is ticking. More people should model Liz Lemon&#039;s behavior since she ultimately puts her dream career above casual relationships. 

To complain about Liz Lemon&#039;s (or Tina Fey&#039;s) imperfections and to demand more respectable female characters represents an inability to accept the absurdities of daily life and an inability to laugh at one&#039;s self. Just take a deep breath and laugh at the wonderfully crafted comedy Tina Fey brings us every Thursday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no blatant negative portrayal of women in 30 Rock, it&#8217;s a negative portrayal of people. A reoccurring conflict Liz Lemon (and probably Tina Fey) faces is dealing with stupid people, not exclusively women. If women should be upset about unlucky-in-love Liz, air-headed Cerie and narcissist Jenna, then men should be equally upset about underachiever Pete, gross Frank, naive Kenneth, pretentious Jack, and of course crazy Tracy.  But to do so, would be a failure to accept humanity as it is.  Being upset about less-than-perfect female characters is absurd, considering there are plenty less-than-perfect females in society. To put only admirable female characters in any show is to say that women are perfect, when we are not. If we don&#8217;t shed light on the infallibility of women, we are cheating ourselves. </p>
<p>Also, &#8220;Tina Fey portrays single women in an offensive way&#8221;?! I&#8217;m a 20-year-old life-long single girl and I&#8217;m proud to call both Liz Lemon and Tina Fey my heros. How are single women portrayed negatively in 30 Rock? Liz stays true to herself during the chaos that is her hopeless dating life. She doesn&#8217;t complain that she&#8217;s not fancy or sexy enough for the men available, and she puts her career in front of everything, including romantic relationships. She broke up with Dennis because he was an idiot (a &#8220;rat king&#8221;), she chose her career over Floyd, Dr. Baird was also an idiot and lived in a &#8220;bubble,&#8221; she refused to settle for Wesley the Brit, airline pilot Carol (yes, named after Carol Burnett) was too similar to her (a &#8220;double-edged sword&#8221;), and her relationship with Criss is currently working out.  She refuses to settle no matter how quickly her biological clock is ticking. More people should model Liz Lemon&#8217;s behavior since she ultimately puts her dream career above casual relationships. </p>
<p>To complain about Liz Lemon&#8217;s (or Tina Fey&#8217;s) imperfections and to demand more respectable female characters represents an inability to accept the absurdities of daily life and an inability to laugh at one&#8217;s self. Just take a deep breath and laugh at the wonderfully crafted comedy Tina Fey brings us every Thursday.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://www.about-face.org/tina-feys-bossypants-may-rescue-her-reputation-as-a-feminist/#comment-8901</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but I cannot read this blog anymore.  &quot;Do people have the right to criticize anyone, including Tina Fey, for not living up to feminist standards? Um, of course! That’s basically all I do with my life. &quot;  Good God!  This is why people don&#039;t like feminists. 

Why does Tina Fey have to live up to your expectations as to what a feminist looks like?  If you are a &quot;better&quot; feminist than she, why aren&#039;t you out there producing your own TV show that lives up to your standards?  Why aren&#039;t you doing &quot;more&quot; than writing a blog?

Maybe the reason people don&#039;t want to identify as feminists is because of this holier-than-thou attitude.  I do call myself a feminist because I truly believe in the beauty and power of femininity.  I truly think it&#039;s time for women to once again make the important decisions in the world.  (That&#039;s one of the major reasons I voted for Hillary Clinton, while every single one of my &quot;feminist&quot; friends voted for Obama and stood idly by as the democratic party threw Clinton under the bus at every opportunity).  However, I can&#039;t stand when people who don&#039;t seem to live in the real world - not mine, at least - judge everyone else for not doing &quot;enough&quot;.  I think there&#039;s a difference between critiquing people and throwing down a huge amount of judgement.  If women stuck together, I think we could repair this world.  Instead, you&#039;re ripping another woman apart because she doesn&#039;t meet your expectations.  This is exactly what the writers on this blog are constantly harping on, yet you&#039;re doing it yourself.  What is the difference between a blog calling someone fat and you calling someone &quot;not feminist enough&quot;?  Nothing that I can see, though I may not have paid enough attention in Feminist Theory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but I cannot read this blog anymore.  &#8220;Do people have the right to criticize anyone, including Tina Fey, for not living up to feminist standards? Um, of course! That’s basically all I do with my life. &#8221;  Good God!  This is why people don&#8217;t like feminists. </p>
<p>Why does Tina Fey have to live up to your expectations as to what a feminist looks like?  If you are a &#8220;better&#8221; feminist than she, why aren&#8217;t you out there producing your own TV show that lives up to your standards?  Why aren&#8217;t you doing &#8220;more&#8221; than writing a blog?</p>
<p>Maybe the reason people don&#8217;t want to identify as feminists is because of this holier-than-thou attitude.  I do call myself a feminist because I truly believe in the beauty and power of femininity.  I truly think it&#8217;s time for women to once again make the important decisions in the world.  (That&#8217;s one of the major reasons I voted for Hillary Clinton, while every single one of my &#8220;feminist&#8221; friends voted for Obama and stood idly by as the democratic party threw Clinton under the bus at every opportunity).  However, I can&#8217;t stand when people who don&#8217;t seem to live in the real world &#8211; not mine, at least &#8211; judge everyone else for not doing &#8220;enough&#8221;.  I think there&#8217;s a difference between critiquing people and throwing down a huge amount of judgement.  If women stuck together, I think we could repair this world.  Instead, you&#8217;re ripping another woman apart because she doesn&#8217;t meet your expectations.  This is exactly what the writers on this blog are constantly harping on, yet you&#8217;re doing it yourself.  What is the difference between a blog calling someone fat and you calling someone &#8220;not feminist enough&#8221;?  Nothing that I can see, though I may not have paid enough attention in Feminist Theory.</p>
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